This is April 2, 1998.
And we're in the library of McMurry University
in the northwest Texas conference archives.
We're talking to Jewell Posey, who is
graduate of the class of 1927.
She's also been employed at McMurry University
in several different jobs on numerous different occasions.
And she's seen a great deal of history at the school,
so much so that she could talk and talk and talk.
And we could sit here for 24 hours.
But we'll try to hit the highlights of things
that she remembers about her days as a student
and as a faculty member and other positions
that she's held here that she'll tell us about later.
The first thing I'd like to ask you, Jewel,
as a young person when you were in high school,
how did you hear about McMurry?
Well, it so happened that Joel Haynes--
everybody in this conference used to know him--
came to my hometown and preached a revival.
And I had just graduated from high school.
And he wanted to know what I was going to do.
And I said, oh, lord, go to college.
And he said, well, have you heard
about a new college, Methodist College, over in Abilene?
No.
Well, write over there and find out.
So he gave them my name.
I wrote.
They sent me information.
And I came.
INTERVIEWER: How old were you--
17.
INTERVIEWER: --when you came to McMurry?
17.
INTERVIEWER: And what town were you living in then?
No, we came from [? Bomarton ?] then.
And my family moved here a little the end of that year.
INTERVIEWER: Moved to Abilene?
Yes.
INTERVIEWER: OK.
And so did you live at home with your family?
Or did you live on--
on campus?
No, I did after they came.
Well, until Christmas of that first year
I lived down on South 14th and about Sycamore, several blocks
from here with three other girls in a [INAUDIBLE]
housekeeping apartment.
So we paid rent and shared meals.
Two of them were already friends.
So another girl and I did our cooking together.
And we had just a bedroom and the kitchen.
And well I didn't know much about cooking at the time.
I went home Christmas.
You should've seen all the weight I gained,
the most I ever weighed in my life.
INTERVIEWER: Did you eat all your meals
in the apartment there?
Or did you eat any meals on campus?
No, I think we couldn't afford anymore.
We were poor.
INTERVIEWER: Did you walk to campus from your house?
Oh, yes I should say so.
INTERVIEWER: Several blocks?
Oh, yes.
Must be nearly a mile down there.
And it rained.
And it rained that fall.
Well, anyway, we had to have overshoes
and raincoats and umbrellas.
INTERVIEWER: There was lots of mud to walk through, I guess.
A lot of unpaved whole areas.
It was [INAUDIBLE]
INTERVIEWER: Not much grass.
I don't remember about that.
INTERVIEWER: So you walked in a lot of mud
to get to the old main where you had your classes?
Oh, yes, we'd cut across the corner over there.
INTERVIEWER: Do you remember anything
about the opening ceremonies the very first day
when McMurry opened its doors officially?
Well we had a service [INAUDIBLE] congregation
in the auditorium.
And of course, Dr. Hunt presided it.
And oh, I remember the mayor and maybe some other city officials
were here to welcome a new college and all that.
So it was, well, a big occasion.
INTERVIEWER: A big event--
Oh, yes.
INTERVIEWER: --for Abilene.
I should've brought a [INAUDIBLE]..
And Abilene recorded it.
I have a clip--
INTERVIEWER: Well, good.
That would be nice.
I have read that before the opening speeches were made,
several students ran up on the stage and led a football yell.
Oh, it could be.
INTERVIEWER: And they decided they
wanted to get that school spirit in before
the official formalities began.
I thought that was cute.
Apparently it was [? Arlan ?] [INAUDIBLE] who did it.
Did you know him?
INTERVIEWER: Yes, I did.
Well, he was one of the originals.
Now he was a manager of the bookstore.
And a [? ski elevator ?] as we called it.
INTERVIEWER: So this was kind of a solemn occasion
but not too solemn.
Well, not yet.
I think the bishop was here.
Well I'm pretty sure he was.
And I don't think Bishop McMurry was here until I met someone.
He was here in 1930.
INTERVIEWER: He came and vested the campus.
He was named?
He preached the baccalaureate sermon
or else gave the commencement address.
I'm not sure which it was.
I think--
INTERVIEWER: That was in the 1930s?
1930s.
And I know there's-- somewhere it's in that folder you have.
INTERVIEWER: OK.
Lance Wells was the outstanding student
for that year.
INTERVIEWER: How nice.
And later, you know, he became a bishop.
INTERVIEWER: Oh, yes.
And married the president's daughter.
INTERVIEWER: And his episcopal rope
has been given to the McMurry archives.
We have it up there in our office in a box.
And we'll have it on display here in the 75th coming up.
Now I know that you have really special memories of Dr. JW
Hunt.
Could you talk a little bit about him--
what you remember especially about him,
the things he liked to do and say and--
Oh, well he was quite an orator.
But he was a fun person too.
He liked fun and jokes.
And of course, they lived over there just across the street.
Their first house was the one that became--
was it a boys' hall?
Anyway, the one at the south end of the lot.
And they lived there a while He built the new house
at the other end of the [INAUDIBLE] down there.
So he walked across and we'd say he had a very distinctive walk.
Here he came.
And he was fairly tall, almost 6 feet, pretty well built,
had dark, reddish-brown hair, brown eyes,
and kind of arched eyebrows, and a twinkle in his eye
when he told a joke.
He would come in, ask us sometimes
a funny question, sometimes not.
Anyway, we weren't afraid of him.
We could talk to him anytime.
INTERVIEWER: Well, that's nice.
Of course, [INAUDIBLE] two oldest children were in school
here.
I think they were in the academy.
[INTERPOSING VOICES]
INTERVIEWER: You had talked earlier about four things
that Dr. Hunt absolutely was opposed to on this campus.
Can you remember those?
Maybe--
I'll help you.
Maybe we could both--
Now one of them was smoking.
INTERVIEWER: No smoking.
And another was cussing, as he called it.
And let me see what else.
INTERVIEWER: Drinking.
Drinking and card playing.
INTERVIEWER: Those things were absolutely forbidden on campus.
It just wasn't to be done.
INTERVIEWER: OK.
Those were the--
You would be sent home.
INTERVIEWER: The four deadly sins.
Four no-nos.
INTERVIEWER: But I have heard stories of alumni that
did play cards in the dorm.
[INAUDIBLE] Even though it was forbidden, they enjoyed it.
I didn't live on campus.
I couldn't afford to.
INTERVIEWER: Well you ladies could
do what you wanted to [INAUDIBLE] off-campus.
There were, I think, 45 girls who lived in the dorm.
And the dining hall was there.
And the boys ate there too.
And they had meals at standing times and had tables assigned.
And you sat at a certain table for so long.
Somebody was the hostess for it.
And the boys were the waiters.
A lot of them were football boys.
They carried the food around, served each table.
INTERVIEWER: What do you remember
about special professors that you had,
some of the original faculty?
Oh, I forgot to tell you one other thing about Dr. Hunt.
INTERVIEWER: OK.
He was quite oratorical.
He had a vocabulary that would just go from here to yonder.
And he could just paint a picture.
And one of his sermons was called The Cowboy Fiddler.
And he describes in the sermon what
the fiddler portrayed in music all through a day
beginning at dawn.
[INAUDIBLE] what he did during the day
and how he ended the day.
And then he had, oh, various sermons on other topics.
I've forgotten what they were.
We have [? someone ?] up here somewhere.
INTERVIEWER: Well, he must've been an outstanding speaker
and outstanding in a lot of ways--
his relationships with people--
He was.
INTERVIEWER: --his caring for people.
Really, I think he actually, shall I say,
sacrificed himself literally, almost killed himself during
the Depression during the '30s, because he traveled so much
to churches trying to get support for the college,
because it was, well, just financially about to go under.
INTERVIEWER: That's right.
And he did that so much that I think he undermined his health.
INTERVIEWER: And he died young by today's standards certainly.
50, 59 wasn't he?
INTERVIEWER: In his 50s, I know.
59, I think.
And it was in 1934.
Oh, the campus just felt lost when we lost him,
because he'd been here.
He was on campus so much.
We'd see him running back and forth across there.
And he was all over the place.
He went to all the football games and all the other things.
INTERVIEWER: And the funeral was held
in the old main auditorium.
Is that correct?
Or his body lay at state--
Yes, his body was in state there.
And I think the ministerial students were the--
what do you call it?
The--
[INTERPOSING VOICES]
And then the the funeral itself was in St. Paul.
INTERVIEWER: In St. Paul Church.
Tell me about some of your special memories
of the original faculty that you studied with.
Well, one very outstanding person was the first dean,
[? Mullet ?] M. [? McCallen. ?] And he had an office next
to the registrar's office.
And he also taught education.
So I had education classes with him.
I started working there in the office,
finally got to be his secretary.
And anyway he was very scholarly and methodical.
And I think he was the one who got
most of the credit for getting recognition for the college,
seeing that the teaching standards, teachers
and courses and all that, were up to requirements.
INTERVIEWER: So they could all be certified through the state?
Yes, so we got somewhere in that folder
there's a list of various recognitions that we got.
And so we got to be in the Class A for second year of college.
And we added a third year.
And then, well, three years later we had fourth year.
INTERVIEWER: And you think a lot of the credit
for that goes to him?
A lot of it would go to him and some of the others.
The English teacher for the first few years
was [? Judy DeLuca ?] who was quite a character in herself.
She was very scholarly.
But personally I never knew anybody any less capable,
would you say?
She couldn't [? know. ?] She'd come to class,
you'd know right after she dyed her hair [? done. ?] And it
would look pretty for several days.
But by the end of the week, it was not very good.
Evidently, she couldn't cook, because even though she
had a house down there just south of the campus--
it's still there, I believe.
INTERVIEWER: OK.
I want you to show me where that is.
OK Well, I'll show you.
It's about a block down south.
She ate over at the college dining hall.
She either didn't take time to cook or didn't know how.
And I think maybe she was just one of those people
knew how to study and to read but not to do ordinary things.
She couldn't cook.
She couldn't take care of her clothes.
She couldn't drive a car.
She never had a car.
INTERVIEWER: She was kind of a one-interest person.
I guess so.
INTERVIEWER: She was here for a long time.
Oh, yes.
She was here really until she died.
I forgot she might've been still teaching when she died.
INTERVIEWER: We have some notes in McMurry archives
that she made later on in life about the history
of the university.
And she wrote a novel, didn't she?
Oh, yes.
Really it was her story.
INTERVIEWER: Just slightly disguised?
Yes.
And one of my teacher friends who is pretty well-off,
[INAUDIBLE].
He said, pretty lady just didn't have any style.
So--
INTERVIEWER: Was it not a bestseller novel?
I don't think so.
We had scads of them around here for a long time.
I wonder if they're still here.
INTERVIEWER: Probably.
We'll have to check.
I forgot to look to see if we have one.
INTERVIEWER: We'll have to check on that.
Well there were boxes of them for a long time.
INTERVIEWER: She studied very hard.
But she couldn't write a exciting book.
I guess wasn't one of her skills.
No, it really wasn't.
INTERVIEWER: Do you think she was an effective teacher?
Oh, very.
I don't know whether--
I guess she did for everybody.
All I had to do was just go into her classroom
and get some assignments and start reading.
I thought that was my love.
INTERVIEWER: Well you were a good student.
You liked English.
I just liked studying.
INTERVIEWER: You liked to study everything.
I've always been so smart.
I just like to study.
And that's how I got along.
INTERVIEWER: Well I'm sure it paid off well.
It really did.
INTERVIEWER: Well we'll have to--
[INTERPOSING VOICES]
Well, let's see.
Oh, and Ms. Tate.
She was the math teacher, the math teacher for--
well she taught 40 years I think it was before she retired.
And she was a love, very friendly and amiable.
And she'd work a problem up on the board
and say, isn't that pretty?
And of course, the kids would laugh,
because they didn't think [? she was ?]
particularly pretty.
But she was a great teacher.
And I knew I could do math.
But that was [INAUDIBLE] all my requirements were.
[INAUDIBLE] Ms. [? Griss ?] was the second English teacher.
She came at my senior year.
She'd been teaching at [INAUDIBLE]
She was a very good English teacher.
And several things were new.
And she started [INAUDIBLE] and was very precise in the way
that she taught them to march and to do all that stuff.
And let's see--
INTERVIEWER: Worked with all those girls.
And they were good advertisements for McMurry.
Ms. [? Maude ?] was--
well, she first taught Spanish.
And then she went out and got her master's
and came back and taught French here for the rest of the year
until she died.
INTERVIEWER: Is that when she went to Europe
and studied in Paris?
No, I think she probably did.
She was here a year or two.
And then I think she went back to TWC and maybe--
I don't know where all else and got a master's.
Another one of the colorful characters
was Gypsy [INAUDIBLE] Sullivan who married Mr. Wiley.
INTERVIEWER: Oh, yes.
We know she's very colorful.
She was one talented, vivacious lady.
And they made an odd couple, because he
was a sort of short, bald-headed man.
Here she was, this tall, regal-looking brunette.
But they seemed to get along quite well.
INTERVIEWER: I've heard that some of the students
were a little bit--
Edward Shepherd was another one.
When McMurry started, his mother was
the hostess for the boys' dorm down here, Bailey Hall.
And he was a student in--
Martin Simmons.
But he directed the band while he was still a student.
And then later he went on--
I think he was one of the first PhDs.
And he came back and taught history and government
but still was the band director.
He was music.
And he did the alma mater.
INTERVIEWER: Is he the one that did the first one
or the second one?
He did the--
INTERVIEWER: The original.
Yes, Ms. Whitaker and some of the other teachers, I think,
paraphrased an old alma mater.
We had a phrase in Texas that we used for the first few years.
But [INAUDIBLE] did that original "Hail to McMurry."
INTERVIEWER: I've heard Rigdon Edwards talk about it.
I guess they were pals.
Rigdon Edwards was in the [? channers ?] maybe.
[INAUDIBLE]
INTERVIEWER: Music.
He was quite a--
well he was an outstanding student.
INTERVIEWER: In a lot of ways, played football.
Sang.
I think he was in a quartet.
INTERVIEWER: I think you may be right.
And anyway he died just recently, you know.
INTERVIEWER: Yes, [INAUDIBLE] Any other faculty members
that made an impression on you?
Guess that's most of them.
There were several others that were around.
INTERVIEWER: What was your major when
you got your bachelor's degree?
English, of course.
INTERVIEWER: English.
Yes, Spanish as a minor.
INTERVIEWER: Spanish as a minor.
[INAUDIBLE] education as a second minor,
because I might want to teach.
INTERVIEWER: Because you might want to teach someday.
I kept thinking a little bit.
I did.
INTERVIEWER: Well when you graduate from McMurry in 1927,
did you go directly to graduate school?
No, I worked a year in the office.
INTERVIEWER: The office at McMurry?
Yes, I was the record clerk.
INTERVIEWER: OK.
We had a little series of registrars.
The one that was here the first year
went downtown to be a church secretary.
And the next one, I think, stayed about a year
and married and left.
And in the meantime I was working
in the office [INAUDIBLE]
And I think [INAUDIBLE] was [INAUDIBLE]..
Anyway I worked in there.
And I was the record clerk and then went back
and looked in some of the catalogs
to see what I was listed as--
assistant in English.
And one year, of all things, I was [INAUDIBLE] PT,
physical training.
And what I did was have kids supervise playing basketball
or tennis and some stuff.
INTERVIEWER: I see.
That was what I did one year.
INTERVIEWER: Well, that was a nice change.
Well, I did whatever there was a vacancy in.
INTERVIEWER: Whatever they told you to,
whatever they had a need for.
And I needed a job.
See, that was the Depression.
INTERVIEWER: Right.
And they needed you.
And they knew you were dependable.
I'm sure.
Well I don't know.
But anyway we had it.
Oh, yeah I was director of [? Martin ?] [? dorm. ?]
INTERVIEWER: OK.
And I was the dean of women for one school
year, because Ms. Chapel had retired.
A new dean came and stayed just a few months
and resigned first of the summer.
And here they were left unfortunately the summer
and the next year without a dean.
And so they said, would you be the interim dean?
[INAUDIBLE]
INTERVIEWER: So of course, you said yes.
Well that was one of the things
I had thought I would never be, a dean of women.
INTERVIEWER: But never say you will never be [INAUDIBLE]
Well it so happened that I had an easy time because this
short-term dean had given the kids all the stuff that they
were wanting-- all the privileges and freedom they
were wanting on campus so I didn't have any problems with
them.
INTERVIEWER: So they were happy.
They were happy that year.
And they didn't give you any trouble.
I didn't have to tell them they
couldn't do all those things.
INTERVIEWER: Well wonderful.
So we did fine.
INTERVIEWER: When you left McMurry
after that first year of working in the office--
Oh, yes.
Let's see.
Oh, I went to SMU [INAUDIBLE] I was in the school of theology.
Well they hadn't named it Perkins yet.
And I intended to go to master in church administration
and be a church director of education.
And so when I got down there I discovered sociology
and decided I wanted to do a Bachelor of Divinity
and major in sociology.
And so I did.
And then when I got out--
INTERVIEWER: And then you were one
of the few women who were graduated that year
with a Bachelor of Divinity.
There were three of us.
And then being just one [INAUDIBLE]
INTERVIEWER: So you were one of the early ones to get a-- early
women--
31.
INTERVIEWER: --to get a degree from the School of Theology.
And there have been many of them now.
INTERVIEWER: Oh, yes now-- lots more now.
You were a pioneer, though.
Oh, yeah I didn't have any more sense
to do what I wanted to.
I didn't know I couldn't do that.
INTERVIEWER: Well when you received
your Master of Divinity from SMU,
did you go out to work in churches?
No, Depression was on.
INTERVIEWER: So there weren't any jobs.
So I came back home pretty much
depressed about the whole thing.
And I started working part-time out here.
They had some remedial English courses.
Back in those days they gave some kind of test for English.
And if you didn't make up to a certain grade
then you had to take remedial, which
was grammar and a lot of stuff.
So I started teaching one or two of those there.
I think there was an extra Spanish class that
[INAUDIBLE] just a little [INAUDIBLE]
second semester or something.
And--
INTERVIEWER: Well that was your minor so you could teach that.
So I did that, just whatever came along.
Goodness knows if I could do it, why not?
INTERVIEWER: And that was the years
they weren't paying their top-- complete salaries.
They were paying just a percentage of the salaries.
Yes, sometimes I remember the year
I did that physical training thing I was getting $50 a month
guaranteed.
INTERVIEWER: Guaranteed.
Yes.
And then I remember one year they told us
that they would guarantee us 70% of our stated salary.
So I got $70 a month that year.
INTERVIEWER: And then did it go up
the next year or the next year?
I don't remember.
I guess it eventually eased up.
So--
INTERVIEWER: And there were lots of faithful people
that stayed here and--
[INAUDIBLE] Quite a number of I guess younger faculty members
with families left.
But the old-timers like Ms. [? Luker ?] and Ms. Tate--
some of those stayed on.
INTERVIEWER: That's what kept the school going.
Right.
We almost went under two or three times
while it was the '30s, you know, in the Depression
and then in the '40s when we lost so many of the boys.
INTERVIEWER: And the school population that year went down.
Oh, it was way down.
And it was practically all girls.
All the class officers were girls.
Nearly everything was girls.
INTERVIEWER: Yeah, I think that was the first time maybe
we had a student body president who was a female.
Probably.
INTERVIEWER: Everybody was female practically.
I'm sure those were hard years.
Did you stay at McMurry during those years?
Or did you leave for other jobs?
Well I stayed until '43.
And I think maybe this was providential.
I got interested in Welsey Foundation work.
And there were two or three places open.
That was a Methodist student work on the state campus.
So Denton was looking for one.
And I went there.
And I've wondered since then would
it have been enough enrollment to justify my staying here?
INTERVIEWER: It was just a good time
to go and find another job.
So I went to that.
So I stayed there eight years.
And oh, those were hard years, because we
didn't have any equipment.
We had no building.
Everything had to happen down at the church.
Of course, that wasn't very far down from the campuses.
So the kids could walk down there.
They didn't know then that they couldn't walk everywhere.
And they didn't have cars.
But we carried on a big program.
And several of the kids who were there
went on a mission, those three-year missions, I believe,
short-term missions.
One went to Japan.
One went to Korea.
One went to Africa, I believe.
So we made differences some people.
And then I went to San Marcos [? as ?] Welsey Foundation
down there.
And that was much easier.
Well there weren't so many people.
And after I'd done that for about two or three years,
I was invited it to be a dorm supervisor on campus down there
in southwest Texas.
I was flattered that the president
invited me to do that.
He happened to be one of our good Methodists.
And so I did that the rest of the time I lived there.
And then I came back to McMurry.
I finally decided I got to go home.
INTERVIEWER: Got to go back home to the campus.
And well really I was coming back more for the family.
Mom and dad were getting a little on the elderly side.
And--
INTERVIEWER: Then you felt you were needed here
to help with them.
The only place I wanted to work was here.
And I came back and asked if anything would
be going on that I could do.
Dr. Bennet and Dr. McDaniel and [INAUDIBLE] Dr. [INAUDIBLE] and
had a Christmas conference.
We sat around and talked and laughed
and went on with things.
And they said, well, they knew both dorms were going
to be available that fall.
And I said, well I'm kind of tired of living in a dorm.
They offered me if I'd live in Martin,
I could teach as much as I had time for.
So I lived over there and taught two classes for, I think,
about five years.
INTERVIEWER: Did you teach English?
Mm-hmm.
And maybe some bible sometimes.
And then I got a house built. And I lived over there.
And I began teaching full-time later
and retired '73, I think it was.
INTERVIEWER: And then I don't know
what happened between '73 and '77, but about '77 you got
put back to work again.
Oh, well, yes.
I did a lot of United Methodist women's
work at conference offices and stuff.
I was vice president of several things.
And we did a big program on that.
And then along came Bob Monk.
And he said, how about working in archives?
I was thinking, I don't even know anything about archives.
Well you could learn.
INTERVIEWER: And you were the very first archivist,
full-time archivist.
Well, I was just part-time really.
INTERVIEWER: But that was your official title.
Yes.
INTERVIEWER: Bob Monk was just kind
of helping get things together.
Oh, please.
He had a lot of stuff up here.
Do you want somebody to do something with?
So I came up and started doing it.
Well, just this area right along here
with about [? 10 ?] shelves up here with things on them,
mostly conference journals.
INTERVIEWER: And since then you've
gathered materials from churches all across the continents.
All sorts of stuff.
INTERVIEWER: You cataloged [INAUDIBLE]
And my first job was cataloging stuff.
And well just look what we have now.
Well a lot.
A lot.
It's been a big experience.
I imagine it's been very enjoyable and very helpful.
And I'm glad I still come out here and keep a finger--
[INTERPOSING VOICES]
Well we're glad you get to do that too.
It's fun to be around these college students.
As you said, clothes change.
And times change.
But the kids are still pretty much the same.
Pretty much the same.
They pretty much want to do some of the same things.
What specific kinds of influences
has McMurry had on your life?
I can see that it's had a huge influence, because you
spent so much of your professional and personal life
here.
Well I had good teachers.
I loved to study.
So I learn--
I bet your teachers just loved you since you liked to study.
I usually made a--
Well, I imagine you did.
As I said, just because I liked to study.
And the one time that I really had trouble.
And if it hadn't been for Ms. Griss,
I don't know how we would've [? stood. ?] Anglo-Saxon,
that was the hardest, most miserable course.
You took a whole course on Anglo-Saxon studies?
It was just the first three months.
[INAUDIBLE]
That's a long time, though.
When we got to Chaucer and on down to modern English
it was all right.
So they have English language.
And we started with Anglo-Saxon.
It's a grammar all by itself.
Oh, that was not your cup of tea.
It was terrible.
INTERVIEWER: Ms. Griss got you through it.
Ms. Griss got us through it.
And then after that I could make As again.
INTERVIEWER: Good.
Well that was just because I liked to study.
INTERVIEWER: Well--
Well, let's see what else did you ask about?
INTERVIEWER: Well, do you have any other comments that you'd
like to make about the history of McMurry,
the years you lived through?
I think they taught us [? to think ?]
and gave us information.
But I think they expected us to use it well,
constructively, I guess what you would call it,
a Christian sense.
When you learn something, be careful what you do with it.
INTERVIEWER: It's a responsibility.
Yes, knowledge brings responsibility.
INTERVIEWER: What kind of advice and information
would you want to give to the McMurry students of today
in 1998?
Well I don't know that I could give them much information
except for history.
But they have such a wide choice now.
We had just very few things to choose from.
But they can go into almost anything.
And I would say, go ahead and get all the facts
and fundamentals.
And then use your head and your heart to put them to work.
INTERVIEWER: That sounds good to me.
Well this has been fun.
I've enjoyed it.
You're an institutional treasure, Jewell.
Oh, thank you.
You're part of our first graduating class.
And you've been part of our history for a long time.
And we're grateful for you.
Well, I owe so much to this place.
Well--
Because--
You've been a big part of the history.
So--
Well--
When we study McMurry history your name will come up a lot.
So we may come and interview you again.
So--
As you can tell, I'm glad to talk about it.
We may come back.
OK.
OK, but that's all for now.
OK.
Enjoyed it.